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Post  spen1990 20/08/14, 08:49 pm

Hi there i have a swift gti 1.3 and the cranksharft has just gone gutted i also own a justy 4*4 and i was going to put all the 4*4 parts on the gti this winter but it looks like ill be doing it sooner.

So now im removeing the engine should i do the 1.6 bottom end swap and throw some h beam rods in with forged pistons then turbo the car is this a good swap to do.

or should i keep the 1.3 and rebuild the engine with a 1.3 crankshaft and put the forged pistons and h beam rods and turbo kit on to 1.3

is the crankshaft from the 1.3 justy the same as the gti crankshaft

any help would be good from anyone who has tried these conversions thanks spencer


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Post  Almondo74 21/08/14, 08:08 am

The swift and justy rear floorpan are different to fit the rear subrframe and diff.
its alot easier to put everything from the swift into the justy.

the gti and 8v cranks are different, gti one is heavier and stronger.

to lower compression use vitara pistons(75mm) or jimny pistons (74mm).
personally id stick with 1.3/1.4(if you bore it out). g16's aren't designed to rev that high.
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Post  spen1990 21/08/14, 08:17 am

Thank you verey much for the info is the justy 1.3 g13b cranksharft forged thanks

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Post  Miniswift 21/08/14, 08:45 am

Hi,

Justy crank is different and stroke is different since it is G13A engine.
If you have both cars, take wiring from Gti and fit them into it. iirc, mk3 Gti has same dashboard with Justy but you will need to swap them as well.

Are you going to take off Justy seats out?
I need front seat rails from Gti/Justy for my mk1 Gti AWD project. This one uses Justy floor pan into mk1 Gti.

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Post  Almondo74 21/08/14, 07:02 pm


Justy's are G13BA (1298cc) engines same stroke and bore but different weight cranks.

Atchi, swift and justy rails are exactly the same mate. would of thought you would have plenty of them Wink
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Post  spen1990 21/08/14, 07:11 pm

Ive looked at the justy and the engine number is g13b and its the sam on the gti is there any other way i can tell if its the corect cranksharft in the justy befor i strip the engine down and yes i wiil have a spear set of steats but just not yet i need to be abull to move it at the moment thanks

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Post  Almondo74 21/08/14, 07:46 pm

what do you mean the correct crankshaft.
the justy should have a G13BA crank unless its been swapped previously (highly doubt it)
The gti is a G13B
G13BA is lighter than the g13b crank, i think the g13ba is hollow.
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Post  spen1990 21/08/14, 07:55 pm

Ive just been on the suzuki online parts catalogue and for the g13b 8v and 16 v the cranksharft has the same part number and i looked up the justy on google and it says that from 1996 to 2002 the justy was fitted with the g13b i will say that the 8v soc conrod and pistion part numbers are different to the 16 v doc but the cranksharft the same dose this sound corect to you thanks

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Post  Miniswift 21/08/14, 09:06 pm

Ross,

I only know mk1 Gti off by heart not mk2 or Justy.

If it is G13B then you can buy Garndi's turbo chip and turbo it to get 180Bhp in std setup.
If you want go more then bore it out to 75mm, skim block by 1mm and fit Gti conrods with Vitara pistons(USAeBay £120 a set).

How deep is your pocket?
If you need Gti conrods let me know. I got about 4 sets!

You have spare engine right? then you can spend £120 getting bore it out and 1mm skimmed. Where about are you?
If you are close to me, I can help you a bit.

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Post  spen1990 21/08/14, 09:32 pm

Im in norfolk uk and ive got about 2k to spend on turbo kit
so i should go
gti block
gti cranksharft
gti conrods or new h beam ones for gti
1.6 vitara pistions with rebore or new forged low comp pistions
Skim engine block

I would like to use new h beam roads and new pistions as i may want to try for 200 plus will i have to run turbo cams and do i still need to skim the block if i buy new low comp pistions what is the best ecu setup for this swift turbo conversion



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Post  Miniswift 22/08/14, 07:38 pm

Hi,

If you are going for it buy H-beam conrods.
Vitara pistons are good for more than you can get as long as 1mm skim from your block.
There isn't such things as turbo cams. Some uses Cultus Gti cams for good result which is fast road spec, I believe.

ECU wise, I know many uses Adaptronics, Motec, Emerald and so on. Some uses MegaSquirts in Swift community.
If you are going for over 200Bhp, you will need aftermarket ECU and bigger injectors.

I would start off with standard setup with Garndi's turbo chip but your engine is knackerd so I suppose it will be difficult.

I have been in 378Bhp Swift but FWD. It was rapid..... affraid .

I think even with 200BHP in Swift will be VERY FAST!

What turbo are you going to use? TD04? GT25? manifold wise, don't buy from Oz eBay. It is cheap enough buy not very good and it is warped!
If you can make one yourself. If you need a kit, I can help you.

Good luck!

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Post  spen1990 22/08/14, 07:45 pm

Do i need the 16v vitara pistion and id like to say thank you for your time in answering all my questions

do you know where i can get a good gti cranksharft from or engine

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Post  Miniswift 23/08/14, 10:35 am

Hi,

I have a few spares, one which needs regrind and others from spare engines I have.
Is your Justy engine not working?
While you are doing all these work to your spare, do you have a car for every day drive?

I know few people with spare engines and so on but not many of the will let it go as Gti engine are getting rare.

I think going with Vitara pistons will be good idea as many people has gone this way and it is proven to be excellent as long as you machine 1mm off the block. This will help you raise CR back up a little from 7.2:1 to 7.8:1 or so. Without 1mm skim, you will have very difficult time hitting 250BHP with a lot of mod.

My mate had following mod and he had 248Bhp.
Cultus cams, TD04, aftermarket ECU, Cultus inlet, bigger injectiors, aftermarket conrods and O-ring.
He has now my spare block which has 1mm skimmed and block guard fitted.
I hope this setup will improve and get 300Bhp he is after.

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Post  Miniswift 23/08/14, 09:59 pm

Oh, by the way...

G16 won't fit to Justy bell housing.
Justy has same bell housing as G13 engines and you will need bell housing from AWD Swift 1.6 Gti.
If you want to do this, let me know as I have 2 AWD gearbox as well!

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Post  swifty 02/09/14, 04:00 pm

We're abouts in Norfolk are you
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Post  spen1990 02/09/14, 10:22 pm

Im near fakenham why

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Post  swifty 22/07/15, 12:31 am

o rite not far away then im in watton
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Post  spen1990 22/07/15, 08:43 am

Hi swifty thanks for the reply could you help me out with some I will pm you with my number thanks

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